TIME TRAVELER

 

After His resurrection He told Mary Magdalene He must travel “to the Father.” If He could do that He could travel anywhere. He could even travel back in time…

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He makes the clouds His chariot; He walks upon the wings of the wind. [Psalms 104:3]

Many years ago I was doing my usual research. I had been delving into the Word of God for years up to that time. Directly after my born again experience when I was filled with the Spirit of God I had an insatiable hunger for the written Word. Though I knew well it is our duty as Christians to read and study the written Word it should not be forced labor. It should not have to be a chore. It was certainly not that way with me. I simply couldn’t get enough. My employment at the time entailed hard physical labor but I would often spend my entire lunch hour reading the Word. On days I didn’t fast I was still out in my car reading. It didn’t take me all that long, relatively speaking, to read through the entire Bible. There was also much study on various topics and paying more attention to certain passages.

In this process I was always coming across things that reminded me of interesting topics I had studied and books I read prior to salvation. In those years pretty much nothing in literature was off the table. One cannot restrict oneself in the search for truth. One must be open and even consider subjects the world at large may think are different or weird. I didn’t care. That never bothered me. Time travel was likely one of those subjects I looked into. What could be cooler than that?

There is so much associated with the doings of this world that most people know nothing about. The majority of people seems to spend their short lives running on treadmills to nowhere and extremely limiting their intake of knowledge and are perfectly satisfied with being told what to believe. Most are apparently not at all inquisitive nor do they consider learning on their own. This demands they must always be taught by others. Their level of knowledge is thus often limited to what they learn in school and directed additionally by whatever they learn passively from television or read in a newspaper. If they ever worked in television or for a newspaper they likely wouldn’t do that. They would see how “news” is received, packaged, and delivered. They would know there is always an ulterior agenda attached. The media people have to make money, you see, and they must use their product in such a way. They also “teach” through subtle manipulative practices. Today, much such news is pure for-profit propaganda. It’s not that it wasn’t that way in the not too distant past, but was not as bad as it is now.

I discovered when young that the more one read, from different sources and forms of literature and media, the more one would eventually know because everything one reads has bits of knowledge in it that lead elsewhere. One’s curiosity in piqued by something read in Book 1, which leads to checking out Book 2, which opens one up to seeking knowledge from Books 3-1000. It never ends. After a while one learns to disseminate knowledge properly, retain the real and reject the hokum.

When I first began reading the Bible as a young adult I likely had that same attitude. Yet, I found things that didn’t appear to add up. I would keep reading and then discover confirmation of something I read before which made it more plausible. I wasn’t doubting the Word but only trying to make it make sense to me. I was building consensus and forming the big picture. It is a process that takes much work and many years but becomes extremely satisfying over time. The Lord does not fear our little doubts or tests. It is all part of learning. We must have an attitude that we are in it for the long haul, however, or may succumb to deception and deem His Word unreliable or not worth our efforts.

One of the unique things I noticed in His Word that initially appeared otherworldly (and approaching science fiction) were the various Old Testament appearances made by God in the form of a human being. I thought that was a tad odd, but again, from my prior experience before salvation of letting my mind loose to wander in consideration of discovering whatever, knowing there is so much out there we don’t know (and knowing there is much we are not supposed to know), I figured, okay, God visits us (a few anyway). He has to appear to a few chosen ones on occasion in order to relate and communicate something important and specific. He is (I thought) great and powerful and way out in the Universe somewhere and also invisible, but is nice enough to take the time to come see us, though we are unworthy little human mud balls without a clue. He somehow becomes a human being (we are talking Old Testament here, long before the Lord Jesus came) and walks among us. He travels through space and time and then somehow changes from being invisible to visible and manifests as a human being.

He did this with Adam and Eve. And with Abraham and Sarah. And with Joshua. And with Moses. And others. There I was, a rookie Christian, reading the Word of God for essentially the first time with Spirit-filled eyes-to-see and ears-to-hear and it was as if I was back in my prior element under the influence of a hazy helper getting into all kinds of cool stuff, all based on historical literature and suppressed news of the time. But I was as clear-headed as possible and the Lord was showing me stuff. In my thinking at the time I considered it very cool stuff that I had no idea ever existed in the Bible. It was as if all the cool stuff I had studied before proved I was not necessarily that far off track and that God was now showing me stuff in His Holy Word that backed up my previous desires to know beyond what I was allowed to know. In other words, by what I was seeing in His Word, His Word would be considered “weird” according to the straight-laced close-minded attitudes of the overall culture at that time which strove at all costs to be perceived as so far down-to-earth that it may as well put brick ballast in its shoes.

I discovered later that these Old Testament appearances of God in human form had a name. They were called theophanies. And I thought, “Okay, this is really getting good.” Here I am an open-minded guy in search of truth and I am finding that the Bible contains the kind of weird stuff the world rejects as untouchable that I was used to researching before. Think about it. How many people actually believe in a Creator God? And how many of the relatively few who believe this also believe He could travel down here from heaven, whatever that may be, and manifest Himself as a human? And then actually meet with people and talk to them? If it wasn’t in the Bible Christians in general would think it was stupid. There’s probably a lot of Christians who would think it was stupid anyway if they were aware of it.

PUTTING TWO AND TWO TOGETHER

Maybe just a few years later I started thinking about these discoveries again and then applied them to the Lord Jesus. I thought along these lines:

After the resurrection, and after the Lord ascended to the Father and then returned during that forty day period He spent on earth before He ascended to heaven for good, He still had work to do. He still had more teaching and ministry to do among His chosen disciples. He had to make final preparations. But He also had an apparent habit of discarding the use of doors and walking through walls. Okay, now that’s weird. That’s bona fide weird. And the Lord didn’t seem to think too much of it. I guess, since He just raised Himself from the dead, that walking through walls was simply not that big a deal. From there, it didn’t take me long to start thinking of other possibilities of things He could do. He said before He left that He had all authority in both heaven and earth so I am fairly certain that means He could pretty much do anything he wanted.

It then came to me. He could time travel. Those theophanies of God back in the Old Testament were not necessarily God traveling from heaven to earth, they were the Lord Jesus traveling back in time from the first century AD. Think about it. God had always planned to become one of us. Before He ever began the Creation process He arranged for His eventual arrival. He was not human at that time, of course. Humans had yet to be created. The only way He could become a human, since He would limit Himself to enter this world the way everyone does, was to be the product of other humans. He would therefore have to create Adam, then Eve, and then be born as one of their progeny at a future date. That being the case, He would have to wait a long time to become a human. And then, in order to appear as a theophany in the past, He had to travel from the future…

Here is something else to consider: On the Mount of Transfiguration He met with Moses and Elijah. Now, I understand in the orthodox that these three men represented the Law, the Prophets, and the Living Word, or Grace. Moses was apparently long dead, of course, but he had his own private funeral which leaves room for speculation. Elijah, of course, according to the Old Testament account, apparently never died. And here they both were with the Lord up on the mountain. I’m thinking, well, if those two guys could travel from wherever they were and meet with the Lord in His time, then why couldn’t the Lord travel to meet with them in their time? While they were still living on earth? We know He did meet with Moses on Mount Sinai after the Exodus, though it is not generally characterized as Him but as “God.” But whoever it was, He had to have human form to some degree. (He certainly did have human form when He met with Abraham.)

So rather than God assuming human form many centuries before He actually became a human being, why didn’t He just wait to become a human and then travel back in time to meet with those people? Too farfetched? You think I’m being too weird? If so I will remind you that we Christians actually believe a Man came back from the dead. And not just any Man but God. This is easy to believe if we simply keep it in our minds as a concept and read it on paper. But consider the possibility of it happening right now with someone you may have known. Do you still think it is something that is easy to believe? Though we have many Biblical examples of people being raised from the dead, have you ever heard of this happening to anyone you know? What if the Lord sent you to pray for someone to be raised? What then? Therefore, I ask that you consider the strong possibility that what I am postulating here as merit.

Do you think the Man in the following account is the Lord Jesus?—

Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us or for our adversaries?” He said, “No; rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the Lord.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said to him, “What has my lord to say to his servant?” The captain of the Lord’s host said to Joshua, “Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so. [Joshua 5:13-15]

How about the account in Genesis when the Lord apparently appeared with Adam and Eve?

They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. [Genesis 3:8][1]

Keep in mind that the phrase “in the cool of the day” actually means “in the wind (or breeze) of the day.” It sounds like the aforementioned quote from Psalms 104: He walks upon the wings of the wind…

In the account with Abraham, God is seen doing very human things much like the human things the Lord Jesus did in His time such as walking, talking, and eating a meal (See Genesis 18).

THEY SAY TIME IS A DIMENSION

Whatever time is, the Lord is not restricted by it, because He is not restricted by anything. Past, Present, and Future is a concept based on our perspective, not His. The ancient philosophers had their studied ideas on the nature of time as did Einstein and many modern scientists. Some say all time is one. Whatever the case, it should be obvious that we humans live in an extremely limited dimension in that our life experiences are based on mere sensory input for the most part. We can see, hear, taste, smell, and touch. Yet there are physical forms of life on this planet with senses that far exceed our own. There is much more out there than we are aware of simply because we do not possess the means to sense it or experience it. Our abilities are thus greatly limited. There is a vast amount we do not know or can perceive. The Lord Jesus, however, showed us what is possible by doing the impossible things He did. He had already done the impossible countless times during His ministry, even though He had limited Himself to human spiritual abilities, and even gave these spiritual abilities to His disciples. But after His resurrection He went beyond these. Walking through walls is not something most humans can generally do, for example. Such things are said to be theoretically possible, however, at least on a drawing board.

Keep in mind that scientific discoveries have increased exponentially almost from nothing over the last two centuries or so, especially during the last one. And if one trips back to the times of the ancients one would see that they had next to nothing compared to what we have today. They were still capable of great feats however, but were simply not in our class. What if such knowledge and discovery continues on its current track? What else is there to know? What else will we discover?

We can say the same about our understanding of real Christianity. There is far more there than most Christians are aware of. In fact, Christianity in general is often the virtual opposite when we trip back and consider the way they operated. Our forebears in the first century AD did things that we for the most part only dream about. The vast majority of Christians don’t even try to emulate them, apparently of a mind that what they accomplished was effectively impossible for us guys in the present. Their spiritual record is undoubtedly one that puts us to shame by comparison. Rather than be like them most Christians are either not aware of them or shun them. And sadly, Christians of the present often substitute worldly and material counterfeits as replacements for signs, wonders, miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

We must learn to follow their example, however, because what they did was in direct obedience to the Lord Jesus and they had massive success in the world.

We must learn to start walking through the walls of our limitations.

We must travel back in time.

© 2022 by RJ Dawson. All Rights Reserved.


[1] Unless otherwise noted all Scriptures are taken from the New American Standard Bible, © 1960, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Used by permission.

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  1. I know this can be hard to wrap ones head around but the truth is God exists outside of time & space. He knows the beginning, middle & end of each and every life.

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  2. Interesting thoughts, RJ…as the King of the Universe, the great ‘I AM’, whose wonders we behold all around us, nothing is too weird, wonderful or impossible for our God. I have often thought the three visitors to Abraham were the Father, Son and Holy Spirit…At the same time I think as King David did when he wrote Psalm 131…” I do not concern myself much with things too lofty …I still and quiet my soul like a little child…” One of God’s greatest gifts and often hardest to retain as we grow older, is simple childlike faith— the power to simply stand in awe of the Maker of all things, the Alpha and Omega, the Lover of our souls, and to give Him glory. I love Romans Chapter 1 in the New Testament, as well as Romans 8, as Paul outlines how God is made known all around us in Creation— and also how this whole creation is going through many challenges awaiting the fullest redemption — fullest freedom — I believe this will be experienced in the Thousand Year Reign of King Yeshua here on earth, and forever with Him in Paradise and the New Jerusalem. Now… I wonder RJ—- what are your thoughts on the ‘third heaven’ or wherever Paul was ‘caught up to’? Oh, I do love the mysteries of God!!

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    • Thanks Susan. I appreciate this. And I believe the Lord greatly appreciates our desire to seek Him and to know Him, and to try to figure things out with the abilities and tools He’s given us. In addition to Paul’s passages in Romans which you mention it is also as Paul said in his message in the Areopagus in Athens on Mars Hill:

      “The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’” [Acts 17:24-28]

      Seeking the Lord is what we were born for and live for and once relationship is established we see we were made for Him, to live for Him, and to have a wonderful Father-child relationship that grows and progresses. We have been blessed with so much. We have reams of Biblical material to study to get to know Him better and also to know real history, to learn from it, and apply the lessons and knowledge therein in our times.

      Regarding the visit the Lord made to Abraham and Sarah the Scripture is clear that the Lord traveled with two angels. The triune God concept did not take hold until the fourth century AD. These were the two angels who then went to rescue Lot.

      And regarding the third heaven experience of Paul, some believe this happened when he was stoned in Lystra on his first missionary journey but the dates to not appear to line up (See Acts 14:19). It likely would have happened in the early 40s based on his account of the experience in 2Corinthians. What caused this is thus speculative. I will have to go back to various notes and do more study and arrive at more of a conclusive answer.

      Your question, though, is not directed so much toward when but where. “Third Heaven” is also something to study. There are references to such and other levels of heaven in the Book of Enoch which New Testament writers referenced. I am sure Paul had much teaching we are unaware of concerning heaven and wherever he might have traveled to. It certainly appears, though, to be The Place. Talk about time travel! I would think he must have been dead (and later raised) to arrive there, and what would have caused that is again, speculative. It gives us a clear indication of what else is “out there” that we don’t know about.

      The God who created all the wonder we know in this fallen world of sin is obviously capable of creating so much more beauty and wonder than that according to our very limited experience. I believe it is as you say and as what Paul experienced. Real Christians have a great future!

      In the meantime there is work to do and a spiritual war to fight. Thank you for your work. Keep up the good fight of faith. Keep seeking Susan. I really appreciate your current series.

      Blessings

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      • Thanks RJ! I really appreciate the article, and hearing your clarifications on the divine visitors with Abraham, e.g. the angels who visited him with the Lord. Do you think the Lord who visited Abraham was actually Jesus? I know Revelation 3 references the Lord as the One who IS, WAS and IS TO COME — which seems to imply His transcending all time and space as we know it. I find it most interesting that many New Age thinkers and some Christians are suddenly hugely into time travel —and of course we know Gene Roddenberry of Star Trek fame coined the ‘space time continuum’ — and Gene openly opposed the ‘logic’ of an All Knowing God. Of course. Satan and his emissaries always want to counterfeit the omnipresence of God and to make it appear that they can supersede God, and that the kingdom of darkness has powers equivalent to or greater than the Almighty. This was Satan’s own downfall — wanting to be God, and actually hating his Creator. I know there is a lot of deception and confusion these days, so appreciate your deeper study into these things.

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        • It is interesting. My thought process on the Lord Jesus engaging in time travel really has nothing to do with the speculations of others outside of Christianity. It is simply a conclusion I have drawn based on the Biblical narrative. I did this at least back in the mid-1990s but probably before, and am only recounting it here. I had no idea time travel was currently a hot topic.

          I do think it is a topic worth looking at and certainly do not fault those doing their research on it. Scientists have been working on theories into the subject for a long time. So much of this has come about because of scientific advances made in the last century in association with much new knowledge gained about Outer Space and space travel. There are certainly some primary New Age topics that have captured a larger audience, time travel being one of them. Again, I am only looking at this from a Biblical perspective. There is so much weird stuff in the New Age Movement, melding science with spiritualism, that one must be very careful what they look into. I used to be into the movement in its very early days in the early to mid-70s long before it went big time in the early 80s, but after salvation saw it clearly for what it was.

          You have made some great points in your comment. Regarding who Abraham actually met with, it makes much more sense to me that it had to be the Lord. For one thing, other than the Old Testament theophanies of God temporarily appearing in human form, there is obviously no such notion that God was ever human. The Old Testament never presents Him that way. The Hebrew teachers would likely be aghast at the notion. Yet there are a great many prophecies telling us of a coming Anointed One with God-like attributes. When the Lord Jesus did arrive He made a great many claims that only God could make. He even referred to Himself on several occasion as the Great I AM. Based on the entirety of His ministry and everything He said about Himself He HAD to be God. People get confused somewhat about this, however. Since there was never any mention of a Trinity of Persons in Scripture in both the Old and New Testaments, it is evident that this notion was created in the attempt to make sense of what appeared to be two different People, the Father and the Son, in the New Testament. Yet further study reveals that there was no such thing as an “Eternal Son” and when the Messiah arrived He would be “God in Flesh” or Immanuel. Nor is there the idea that the Son was simply “Divine” but not actually God. These things have been overwritten on the Scriptures.

          The only viable conclusion to be drawn in my estimation is that it was God Himself who became a Man and that’s who the Lord Jesus is. Looking closer at the passages in the Book of Revelation, we see that the Lord Jesus is indeed the First and the Last, who IS, WAS, and IS TO COME (Revelation 1:4, 1:8, and 4:8). The Lord Jesus is referred to as the Almighty. Notice also that there is God and the Lamb but only one throne. This is a very deep and long study which I cannot do justice here.

          The only way to sort out all the deception from the Truth is by continuing to study the Word of God. I believe it actually is God’s Word to us. It is filled with the knowledge we need. The Bible is the only book on the planet, the original, that exposes the devil and the works of darkness. The enemy is always trying to discredit it. Without knowledge of the Word the odds are great that one is living in deception.

          Thanks again Susan. This is fun. Blessings

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          • Yes, interesting discussion—and I know we will see Him face to face, just, as He promised and all things will be made known.

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          • Meant to share that the Lord put it on my heart long ago that time (as we know it) is actually enfolded in eternity, like a butterfly within a cocoon. All I know for sure is – our God is awesome. 🙌🏼👑❤️

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            • I love that. That’s really cool. The science boys say that time, as a dimension, was encapsulated within the beginning blast of the Big Bang, along with roughly ten other dimensions, several of which only existed for an infinitesimal amount of time whereas the others are still with us. (It’s been a while. Pretty sure this is about right). Whatever the case, and whether there was a Big Bang, our God is the Creator who made all however He made it, and IS truly awesome. And we will certainly see Him face to face, which again (thanks) demands that God be human, like us, and perfectly relatable. It should not be a stretch then, to consider that the Lord Jesus, since He is both Man and God, will be the One we will greet on the other side. Thanks once again Susan. This thread has been a blessing. Keep shining your light!

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  3. My journey is similar RJ.
    God has no limits. None of the things in which we are confined hedge in God. He gave us thoughts which can travel anywhere but we cannot go where our thoughts can. He can…and his thoughts are so beyond us…love it.

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    • Thank you Gary. I’m glad we are tracking. There is a balance which must be achieved to allow for Truth while also filtering out error. Sadly, much of Christianity appears to have these poles reversed. The Lord fought this battle in His time in that so much of what He desired to bring was rejected because it did not fit into the established religion of the time. I appreciate your support on this. I took a chance on the subject matter but I remember how clear it came to me many years ago. All things are possible with God. I would think this would include the Lord’s time travel. Blessings to you Brother.

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